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Game support => Beginner tips => Topic started by: Meebo on 16:25:37 - 07/30/08

Title: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Meebo on 16:25:37 - 07/30/08
I wished there was more to help newcomers when I first started, so as I levelled up I tried to collect a list of tips to pass on.  If anyone has anything to add, please feel free.

1. Explore! Once you're level 3 or 4 feel free to leave Inachis and head to Aleas and Eversweep.  Both have level 4 Dungeons and PVP opportunities. From there head to Zeal or Lumina.

2. Organize your decks.  You only have 4, so try to keep them specialized. Give them names to tell them apart.  Just click on the name of the deck next to the big plus sign and then remember to hit save when you're done.

3. Create a Levelling deck which always includes the cards with skills you are trying to increase.  Ideally that deck doesn't have any cards from skills that are already maxed for your level if you can still win without them.  That's because you gain the most points in the skills you use most effectively in a fight, but none if those skills are already maxed.

4. Go through and view your charms before choosing a job, figure out what points you need to meet requirements and choose a job that meets as many of them as you can.

5. Use the Wiki for information : http://estiah.aswt.net/ As you level, help maintain the Wiki.

6. If you're strapped for cash early on be sure to complete Inachis Sewers 5 times to fill your renown for Sewer Cleaner.  The rewards is 500 gold.

7. Know what battle skills are and how to increase them : http://estiah.aswt.net/index.php?title=Battle

8. Understand how spirit and exhaustion works.  Your spirit total is the maximum amount of cards you can bring to a fight.  If you run out of cards during a fight you lose from exhaustion.  At low levels you gain 1 Spirit each level, but in later levels there are diminishing returns. 

9. Read fight logs carefully.  Does an enemy do a lot of damage but not use a lot of armor? Do they use only use ward and not armor? Only damage of one type? Do they have unlimited spirit? Very limited spirit? What type of damage does their DoT(Damage over Time spell) do?

10. Understand Focus and Protect. Focus targets the same enemy for as many rounds as are specified on the card, or until the enemy dies or someone else protects the enemy. Protect forces an enemy to target you instead of your allies for as many rounds as are specified on the card. Focus and Protect themselves have no use in 1v1 fights. Focus is useful when fighting multiple enemies. Protect is useful when fighting with allies.

11. Hold off on gathering. Your fighting skills are more cost effective at low levels because you can gain skill in more than one at a time.  Later perhaps level 15-25 when you've earned a few gathering points from doing jobs it becomes more cost effective to invest in gathering.

12. Report bugs and typos on the forum Bugs & Typos forum and you'll earn motivation once in a while in the form of [Sweet Brownies] from the developers.

13. Don't be shy about creating multiple characters it's allowed.  Just don't use apprentice/mentoring between your own characters.  Use the things you've learned from your first character to make your second character better or explore an entirely new Class track. When you create a new character, ask another player (or guildmate) if they want that character as an apprentice.

14. Most importantly play your own way, have fun, and feel free to ask questions of the community either on the board or in-game.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Razgriz on 16:31:53 - 07/30/08
lol, nice trick on 6 >:D
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Nipal on 16:46:12 - 07/30/08
i can sticky your post if you guys keep it updated.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Minrhael on 10:12:00 - 07/31/08
argh, and all 3 of my characters stopped at 80/100 sewer cleaning i think.  i knew i should have finished it up with one just to see what happened.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Malodorous on 03:55:33 - 12/22/08
Im gonna bump this up, it helped me alot.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Ugluk on 17:24:14 - 12/22/08
Nip, I think it would be good to sticky this.  Everyone will keep adding suggestions, and Meebo can just edit to consolidate so the thread stays clean.  If he wants to give it up, I can keep an updated post too (but I'd rather he did it).
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Ugluk on 17:29:53 - 12/22/08
15. There is NO WAY to screw up a character before Lvl 20, and even then it's only if you pick a class that doesn't lead to your T3 destination.
16.  Most people keep two main stats, and pick a 3rd to be their secondary stat.  The 4th should be more or less ignored.
17.  Start reviewing the class page around Lvl 10 and considering what T3 you want to work towards.  Once you pick one, you can choose a T1 class and figure out your stats.  The forums are a good place to pick up extra info on the classes and their strategies.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Wolfsoul on 22:54:14 - 01/01/09
18. Best places to level up [Heroism] early - Cursed forest, Lumina, lvl6; Rogues colossus, Aleas, lvl 15.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Malodorous on 02:13:04 - 01/28/09
Nip, I think it would be good to sticky this.  Everyone will keep adding suggestions, and Malodorous can just edit to consolidate so the thread stays clean.  If he wants to give it up, I can keep an updated post too (but I'd rather he did it).
O_o

Anyways, this is a great list and really helped me early on.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Larcent on 03:01:23 - 01/28/09
19. Don't be afraid of PVP. It's simple, relatively painless, helps you perfect your play style, and most importantly, gets you materials that let you craft charms that are more powerful at their level than charms purchased from vendors. Also, certain level 40 classes require skill ranks that can only be gained from participating in PVP (cruelty, recklessness).

I'd figure I'd add that because I generally don't engage in PVP in most games and don't like it, but it's much different here.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Ugluk on 16:26:43 - 02/19/09
20)  Level up every single Battle skill as high as you can as soon as you can using specially designed arena decks.  While it will always be possible to make it up sometime later on, it's best to keep up with your skills.

21) 900 growth only applies to the stats you gain from regular foods and jobs.  The job skills, battle skills, gathering skills, and any elixirs do not apply to your growth total.

22) You cannot sell or trade charms.  Never have, and the game developers are very clear that you never will.  Even low level charms are usually needed for certain higher level dungeons anyway, so selling would only hurt you in the long run anyways.

23) You get 20 Action Points (AP) every two hours.  This is all you will ever get, and there is less than 0 chance that this will be increased.  Since the devs don't want people who pay money to get an advantage, that is also not an option to get more AP.  Don't ask, many already have.

24) Once you accumulate 240 AP you will start to get diminishing returns (less than 20 AP per hour) until you reach 1200 AP.  At 1200 AP you will not get more.

25) The primary skills unlock a new rank every 10 levels.  You can't get points towards Rank 2 until you reach level 10.  Some of the more obscure ones open up at other intervals.

26) To choose your title:  Go to your character page, click on the little icon next to your character name on the left.  A dropdown will appear where you can select your desired title.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Popeye on 18:44:23 - 02/19/09
Whenever you have the money to spare, keep your pet fed and run it in races. Randomly winning a few trophies will come in humongous help later on.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Fezznozomu on 00:18:51 - 05/06/09
Thanks.  This helps a lot! Us noobs like new player suggestions...
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Enigma on 01:05:11 - 05/06/09
2. Organize your decks.  You only have 4, so try to keep them specialized. Give them names to tell them apart.  Just click on the name of the deck next to the big plus sign and then remember to hit save when you're done.

Now am I blind not to see the "Click to rename" heading there or what? :laugh: I honestly didn't notice that until now. I knew I should've been active in the forum earlier on.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Sakura on 20:03:17 - 05/06/09
eiii pense q habia q descargar el juego!!!!!!!!!

me qde con ganas de jugar  :( :( :( :( :(
 
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Enigma on 21:32:29 - 05/06/09
eiii pense q habia q descargar el juego!!!!!!!!!

me qde con ganas de jugar  :( :( :( :( :(
 


Can't play the game but you want to? Sorry, can't understand the whole thing. :(
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Nipal on 10:14:30 - 05/07/09
Quote
eiii q pense q had downloaded the game !!!!!!!!!

qde me wanting to play

ok, google translate completely failed me today, any spanish speakers here mind translating that for us?

the most confusing part is that "downloaded the game", what the heck you need to download to play estiah, lolz.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Hellmaster on 12:01:46 - 05/07/09
He thought that he had to download the game in order to play and that he was eager to play but he couldn't (from wich I understand).

Yes, I'm Spanish and it doesn't make very sense to me either. Why the hell didn't he start playing if he discovered that Estiah is browser and he doesn't need to download anything?  :-X
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Nipal on 12:53:44 - 05/07/09
meh, if he has a forum account = he must have an ingame account = he must have played already.
that comment about downloading things is so out of place ~~
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Enigma on 17:18:20 - 05/07/09
I checked and he has an in-game account. L1 adventurer. I wonder why he thinks there's a need for a download.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Nipal on 17:43:54 - 05/07/09
hmm if L1, that means he never played, coz the first job you do, you level up :)
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Enigma on 17:54:22 - 05/07/09
Right. So so far he/she has just created an account. Hmm... ???
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Hyrgent on 18:42:44 - 05/25/09
Thank you for making this topic. I guess I'll leave Inachis when I have the chance.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Enigma on 00:49:34 - 05/26/09
Thank you for making this topic. I guess I'll leave Inachis when I have the chance.

Yes, do! A good guide for which city to visit would be which one has a dungeon a character of your level could take on.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Destion on 05:32:14 - 06/01/09
Good stuff!! Thank you much...
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Pandalord on 04:14:29 - 06/30/09
Thank you very much, I really needed some advice to optimize my character.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Ultra578 on 05:23:19 - 08/23/09
Hey gw bro thanks alot, this is really helpful :)
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Pegleggonzo on 08:53:44 - 09/03/09
Thanks for the tips they're great.   :D

So I don't quite get customising your deck, can you change the order in which the charms are cast? i keep getting beaten up by the rats in the underground bank (I'm L3).

Cheers,
PLG
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Arimith on 08:58:46 - 09/03/09
You can't control the order of your charms, but you can control which charms are in your gear. This means if you don't need any ward, then you should leave out all ward charms, for example.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Ecaterina on 06:53:50 - 09/08/09
Great suggestions so far guys, thanks for making this thread  :-* I just started a couple of days ago and Im wondering how to increase my PVP rating? I've been pvping against players my lvl range (non skirmish) but my rating doesnt go up  :-\
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Darian on 23:23:43 - 09/10/09
Great suggestions so far guys, thanks for making this thread  :-* I just started a couple of days ago and Im wondering how to increase my PVP rating? I've been pvping against players my lvl range (non skirmish) but my rating doesnt go up  :-\

To gain rating points, you must win against people higher rated than you. And you can only fight a given person once per day (the fight button for them will be grayed out after the battle).
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Winterfate on 02:05:56 - 09/11/09
Quote from: Darian
And you can only fight a given person for rewards once per day (the fight button for them will be grayed out after the battle).

Fixed. ;)

Granted, it's pointless to fight someone more than once a day, but it IS possible, just pointing it out. :)
(You also won't get rewards if your opponent is 4 or more levels below your own.)
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Sparky on 03:11:27 - 11/28/09

(You also won't get rewards - else than the skill cruelty- if your opponent is 4 or more levels below your own.)
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Czah on 19:45:10 - 12/01/09
This is helpful.  It would be more helpful if a mod could clean this thread up.  Delete posts, and just add the important information to the initial post. 
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Drasagoth on 12:57:58 - 12/03/09
27) If you use a deck of single charms, total skill increase per fight is about 10 or less. If you use dual charms you can raise your total skill 15+ in a single fight. (In early levels, goblin tower is a good farming spot for duals.)

28) Best way to increase most of your skills and getting free charms is PvP. Each PvP costs only 10 AP at most. Organize a deck which you want to skill up and kill some players. Your deck will probably be weak so attack someone who is lower than your level. Thus, your skill will level up at minimum AP cost and you get enough soul for PvP charms. (If you trust your deck you can attack players who are two level above you. This will cost you only 8 AP, check the next tip)

28+) Leveling courage is not hard as it seems. In every PvP cities there are some abandoned chars which are high level. They mostly carry level 1 deck (13 charms). All you can do is to go to PvP, adjust the basic player filter to player of all levels and sort by rating. Go to the last page, find someone who is at least two or more levels than you, check his/her profile, attack. Plus you can achieve David and Goliath too. Each fight will cost only 8 AP in this way

29) When you are level 7 you can train Heroism in Inachis Battle Tournament. But check here first, http://estiah.aswt.net/index.php?title=Inachis_Battle_Tournament. Can be tough if you are not ready.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Czah on 17:10:31 - 12/03/09

28+) Leveling courage is not hard as it seems. In every PvP cities there are some abandoned chars which are high level. They mostly carry level 1 deck (13 charms). All you can do is to go to PvP, adjust the basic player filter to player of all levels and sort it by level. Go to the last page, find someone who is at least two or more levels than you, check his/her profile, attack. Plus you can achieve David and Goliath too. Each fight will cost only 8 AP in this way


Good tips def.  But from what I just figured out, correct me if i'm wrong.  If you do by all levels, then go to last page, you will have ppl WAY lower level.  And if you just choose a random person 2levels above you will probably get raped by #of Charms...right?
What i've been doing, and suggest.  Sort by RATING.  Then go to the last page.  Fight the highest level you can find w/the lowest ratings.  I just found several 3-4 levels above me, with 13-19 charm deck(while i have 23) and got some nice courage.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Drasagoth on 20:01:25 - 12/03/09

Good tips def.  But from what I just figured out, correct me if i'm wrong.  If you do by all levels, then go to last page, you will have ppl WAY lower level.  And if you just choose a random person 2levels above you will probably get raped by #of Charms...right?
What i've been doing, and suggest.  Sort by RATING.  Then go to the last page.  Fight the highest level you can find w/the lowest ratings.  I just found several 3-4 levels above me, with 13-19 charm deck(while i have 23) and got some nice courage.

You are definitely right. Sorting by level does nothing. The note has been editted. Thanks for the warning.

p.s. For low levels (7-8ish) Eversweep and Aleas are good spot for courage level up. I think i was level 8 or something like that.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Georgeliquor on 22:24:07 - 01/13/10
this has been touched upon, but a character should strive to use food and skill reward stat pts. as the only progress made toward the next level during levels 20-40.. this is to ensure you gain as much HP from skill ranking to stay competitive in PVP.. its easy to have the same charms as high rated players but HP makes a difference when they start getting 100pts higher than you..  my first character didn't get this memo (george)..  estiah rewards those that take their time..

Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Blacksol on 01:23:48 - 01/14/10
this has been touched upon, but a character should strive to use food and skill reward stat pts. as the only progress made toward the next level during levels 20-40.. this is to ensure you gain as much HP from skill ranking to stay competitive in PVP.. its easy to have the same charms as high rated players but HP makes a difference when they start getting 100pts higher than you..  my first character didn't get this memo (george)..  estiah rewards those that take their time..

While I agree with this sentiment, on both my guys I found appropriate jobs needed to be done in late teens and late twenties to get right stats for next class.  Also looking ahead, to reach L40 I need about 230 stat points on both that cannot be provided by skills (and stat food is expensive).  So jobs need to be done but at the right times.

Taking your time also allows dungeons to be farmed for the charms you need/want.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Azncat41 on 21:50:56 - 02/16/10
I'm looking for a walkthrough but I think this will help me so thanks a lot.  :)
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Dudeth on 05:43:22 - 03/07/10
I've just read through this thread, thanks for all the help and advice im sure it will not only help me in the future  :o but also begin to make more sense as i play more  ;D Only been playing 2 days and seems like ive already made mistakes, im lvl4 and dont believe i can do the rats again, Please will someone correct me if im wrong.

thanks again
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Toben on 07:35:20 - 03/07/10
Only been playing 2 days and seems like ive already made mistakes, im lvl4 and dont believe i can do the rats again, Please will someone correct me if im wrong.

It's pretty much impossible to make any serious mistakes in the first two days. And you can do the rats again, you can clear out the sewers (or any other dungeon) once every 12 hours, so you probably just need to wait a little while.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Aplsos on 07:35:50 - 03/07/10
You mean the Inachis Sewers?  You can still go through the dungeon and collect charms, you just won't get any skills besides Sewer Cleaner from it anymore when you're level 4 and above.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Cygax on 02:44:55 - 03/23/10
I've only been playing a week, but I am pretty sure you can still get skill ups in the sewers at level 5...  The sewers are level 2, and as long as you are within 3 levels you get skill ups, right?
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Sparky on 03:25:35 - 03/23/10
I've only been playing a week, but I am pretty sure you can still get skill ups in the sewers at level 5...  The sewers are level 2, and as long as you are within 3 levels you get skill ups, right?
It's true but it's not about the dungeon's average level exactly but more precisely the monsters you fight, eg if the dungeon is "lvl 15" but you beat lvl 14 mobs while being lvl 18 you won't get any skill.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Monique45 on 23:11:11 - 08/15/10
Hello,

I wanted to say thank you for this beginner tips pages it has helped me out a great deal. I still have a long way to go, but with information always at my finger tips I will be great in no time.  Thanks again 8)

Lady Monique
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Navizarian on 06:09:43 - 12/13/10
27) If you use a deck of single charms, total skill increase per fight is about 10 or less. If you use dual charms you can raise your total skill 15+ in a single fight. (In early levels, goblin tower is a good farming spot for duals.)

Could you explain this portion again? I don't quite get you, thanks!
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Sparky on 08:05:38 - 12/13/10
27) If you use a deck of single charms, total skill increase per fight is about 10 or less. If you use dual charms you can raise your total skill 15+ in a single fight. (In early levels, goblin tower is a good farming spot for duals.)

Could you explain this portion again? I don't quite get you, thanks!
What he means is, let's say you use a deck of single rune charms (eg charms with only one rune), for instance 10 fire charms and 10 earth charms, you'll get +5 in each (+5 is the maximum you can get in a rune skill), but if you go with 10 fire, 10 earth and 10 Frost, you will get +12 (yeah the limit is actually 12, not 10) total at the very best (like +4, +4, +4 or +3, +4, +5).
On the other hand, if you use dual rune charms (charms with 2 runes, like Fiery Punch which is Fire/Fist) you can get beyond this limit of +12 total max skill points for rune skills.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Poryg on 18:27:25 - 08/05/12
I don't know which numbers these are :)


Try to plan your walkthrough asap. It helps you to decide which skills you have to master and when, which charms you'll have to focus on, etc.

Feel free to use Wikis, you're not an AI to remember every step, every charm, every... everything what Estiah can hide.

Don't try to visit Coliseum too early, it's only a waste of time and money. For example if you're level 15, you don't stand a chance.

It's NEVER late to start over. Estiah TOLERATES multiple accs, that allows you to follow new, different routes!

In Estiah doesn't exist a way which is superior to other ones. Some classes are weaker, some stronger... But Estiah isn't only about brutal power, a player with weaker charms can still win, if he uses his head.

If your strategy is bad,... simply change it.
Title: Re: List of suggestions for new players.
Post by: Sparky on 18:36:37 - 08/05/12
I don't know which numbers these are :)


Try to plan your walkthrough asap. It helps you to decide which skills you have to master and when, which charms you'll have to focus on, etc.

Feel free to use Wikis, you're not an AI to remember every step, every charm, every... everything what Estiah can hide.

Don't try to visit Coliseum too early, it's only a waste of time and money. For example if you're level 15, you don't stand a chance.

It's NEVER late to start over. Estiah TOLERATES multiple accs, that allows you to follow new, different routes!

In Estiah doesn't exist a way which is superior to other ones. Some classes are weaker, some stronger... But Estiah isn't only about brutal power, a player with weaker charms can still win, if he uses his head.

If your strategy is bad,... simply change it.

I only partly agree with this:
 - planning out is definitely an important part of the game. But at the same time, you don't have to. I started really caring only after I hit lvl 40 or so on my main character.
 - which brings me to the 2nd point: you can always do new chars as suggested, but "starting over" is completely unnecessary. Like I said my main char was just powerlevelling without farming many charms or skills till level 40. In Estiah you can always make up for it later, I have no complaints at all about this char nowadays (he's pretty badass and had no trouble in PvP/Coliseum etc after being fixed).
 - coliseum may be nigh impossible at lvl 15 due to all the min/maxxers there, but it's still a good idea to register to see what is efficient strategy-wise and to check what kind of chars win there (their amount of charms/skills mastered/HPs/spirit can give some hints about your progression).