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Estiah 2 - Open Beta => E2 - General discussion => Topic started by: Lezard on 16:06:28 - 01/19/12

Title: Estiah 2
Post by: Lezard on 16:06:28 - 01/19/12
Hello everyone,

Happy new year!
I know it'w been a long time since you've heard from us, and since there's been any update on Estiah 2 beta.
I guess the question you all have is "Are you going to stop working on Estiah 2?". The simple answer is no, we have not taken this kind of decision yet. What's happening is that we're at a point where we are at some kind of technical dead end. As you may know, the support and promotion of Silverlight by Microsoft is going down much faster than expected, so we need to decide if we want to follow that track anyway, or start over almost everything with a different technology.
We've been trying a lot of things on our side already, but you might not be able to see any change on your side for some time still.

But we do hope we'll eventually be able to go on with the game, and that some of you will still be around to help us test and finalize the game once we're ready again to move onward.


Also, we're sorry for not putting up any event for christmas / NYE, but both of us went for a very long trip by the end of 2011, and we couldn't make anything.
I'll try to come up with something interesting in the following weeks to try and make up for it :)

Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Torq on 13:19:04 - 01/21/12
I'm glad to hear that.  :)

Best of lucks in 2012 and remember that if you need anything we're willing to help!
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Jmackxiii on 15:17:45 - 01/21/12
100% here for you guys if you need anything.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Sparky on 16:03:54 - 01/21/12
Cool to hear from you!
100% here for you guys if you need anything.
And this, of course.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Srdja on 23:24:47 - 01/21/12
Really great hearing from you! :) As the others have already said, we're always happy to help.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Larcent on 04:50:43 - 01/26/12
Yup, I'm still around. I'm not very active in Estiah itself, but I'm still checking in.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Nipal on 14:11:15 - 02/06/12
unfortunately i don't think we'll go any further with silverlight, so this means full game UI rewrite.
the work is already under way but as you understand it takes quite a lot of time. not all our work
will go wasted though.

the new UI will be written in javascript, we'll add some html5 features too. it won't have as much
animation as the current silverlight UI but at least it'll be better supported by different devices.

we won't have anything to show for a while i think, but we'll probably need you guys for some
testing :) the connection issue remained the most annoying problem of silverlight and that's
basically what made us to give it up. we'll probably test this first as we rewrite the UI.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Sparky on 19:30:48 - 02/06/12
unfortunately i don't think we'll go any further with silverlight, so this means full game UI rewrite.
the work is already under way but as you understand it takes quite a lot of time. not all our work
will go wasted though.

the new UI will be written in javascript, we'll add some html5 features too. it won't have as much
animation as the current silverlight UI but at least it'll be better supported by different devices.

we won't have anything to show for a while i think, but we'll probably need you guys for some
testing :) the connection issue remained the most annoying problem of silverlight and that's
basically what made us to give it up. we'll probably test this first as we rewrite the UI.
Even though this does mean it'll take more time, I'm actually happy with the decision of dropping Silverlight. Take your time guys, you can always summon me whenever you need me. :)
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Sheira on 20:08:01 - 02/06/12
While this rewrite is probably for the best, it is sad to see the game being pushed back even further. Have you thought about making the UI component of the game an open source project once the basics are there? Or another form which would help you concentrate more on the server backend and other important things? For Estiah you are already letting user design content, so it might be a good idea to get some more help. There are probably some users who would be quite willing to help you out. I think anything that lets you concentrate more on the most important things is a good step.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Nipal on 10:19:28 - 02/09/12
after the incident where some chinese company has made an estiah clone with all our css/js/html, there's no way we'll open-source
anything. we're using google closure library in estiah2 so js will be minified and compiled, i hope they won't be able to steal from us
again.

sheira, since you've done a great work for e1, it's not that we don't trust you, it's just not easy to open up our development servers.
plugins are still the best solution i think.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Sheira on 15:13:29 - 02/09/12
I'm just hoping that the project will not die and see a swift release and I am trying to think of ways to further that goal. I'm not sure exactly, but from what I understand from js minifying, a 1:1 copy is still possible, just making changes to the minified code is hard. Also your server backend is always inaccessible and will probably play an even more important role with live fights.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Nipal on 18:48:15 - 02/09/12
minified js doesn't stop them from doing exact copy but it's pratically impossible to alter.
you just have to look at any google sites to understand how hard it is to copy/paste.
all variables are renamed and many functions are inlined, thus the compiled source is
not exactly what we wrote.

i know everyone is eager to see the game go live, but it's no use to release a game that
doesn't work. (or not for everyone)
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Gabbin on 17:18:50 - 02/10/12
Poor Silverlight  :(

Just let us know when and where we can help  :)
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Merton on 08:12:02 - 02/21/12
As I was just saying in IRC.  I played basically 0 non-sports/guitar games during my active tenure in Estiah 1 these past few years.  A testament to the quality of the first game despite any flaws it might have.

A small mercy for this old man that E2 will be delayed.  I owned almost 70 pc games I'd never or barely played a few months ago.  Granted I haven't put THAT big a dent in them (playing Morrowind now and that is quite a time consuming venture), but Gabbin has hassled me to a much lesser degree that I haven't played this or that game now that I'm actually playing SOMETHING other than Estiah.

But I'm still always here for you guys when and if you need me.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Gabbin on 08:45:32 - 02/21/12
The man hasn't even finished KotOR  :(
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Kasyn on 22:31:21 - 06/20/12
Just wanted to express my condolences on all the hard work with the Silverlight stuff that isn't going to turn out.  Lez and Nip, you guys do a thankless job and I hope it's not too discouraging.

As others have mentioned, please let it be known if you ever need any help in the future.  I'm more than happy to hunt typos for you two, anytime.

<3
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Lezard on 10:10:33 - 06/22/12
Thanks :)
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: petitbeuh on 10:30:43 - 05/30/13
Praying to the bunny god

Dear Fluffesty,
would you mind giving us E2 back ?
I definitely tried to be kind with all creatures, except the crawling, slithering, drooling, stinging or biting ones !
I know that money and servers are not made of fur nor scales, but it shouldn't be a burden given your magnanimity and dedication.

And if you would grant me with 10.000 AP and 1.000.000 Gold in E1, it would hurt either.
Thanks !

   
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Torq on 10:46:06 - 05/30/13
My heart skipped a beat when I saw that someone had written in here.

Then I realized you were not one of the NipLez, and I was sad.

You're mean.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Torq on 10:46:40 - 05/30/13
Nice kinda-haiku i got there.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Nipal on 12:02:18 - 05/30/13
we are slowpokes but we are having a blast dev/testing e2 pve. we'll restart private beta when we got 80-90%
content done i think. we're at somewhat 30-35%, so still quite a lot to go.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Gabbin on 16:37:40 - 05/30/13
Awesome news!
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Sparky on 19:41:10 - 05/30/13
Whee!
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Jmackxiii on 16:40:34 - 06/05/13
Awesome to see some activity in here!
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Schutzengel on 18:48:58 - 06/30/13
I'M ALIVE!  ;D

And will keep coming daily to check more on the news and come back to this family.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Lezard on 18:37:17 - 07/20/13
Just to let you know, we're about halfway through what we expect to have ready for the pve beta
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Torq on 00:38:49 - 07/21/13
That's awesum news.

Glad to hear you have renewed forces on this project, Lez. :)
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Gabbin on 15:45:09 - 07/21/13
50% is practically finished!
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Srdja on 19:48:16 - 07/21/13
Yay :)
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Sparky on 23:06:40 - 07/21/13
\o/
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Qqchampion on 00:37:54 - 07/23/13
Imready.jpg
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Nipal on 12:36:13 - 07/25/13
i was just wondering if anyone was up for creating dungeons for e2. content in e2 is 100% new but we'd
like to see the remake of some classic e1 dungeons, we thought it'd be good if players did them :)
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Sparky on 14:18:50 - 07/25/13
i was just wondering if anyone was up for creating dungeons for e2. content in e2 is 100% new but we'd
like to see the remake of some classic e1 dungeons, we thought it'd be good if players did them :)

I'm totally up to the task and I know others are.

At your command, ready to serve. :P
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Gabbin on 03:06:00 - 07/26/13
Merton is in town, so I'm booked for card and tabletop game goodness for the next nine or ten days, but after that I can be all over it!
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Sparky on 13:28:03 - 07/26/13
Merton is in town
Wasn't there an amendment issued to prevent Gabberton to ever be reunited?

*goes hiding in a bunker*
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Slalderma on 14:37:19 - 07/26/13
What's this game now?
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Qqchampion on 07:51:36 - 07/27/13
I'm totally available. Are there any specific dungeons you want to see remade / any other additional details we would need to get started?
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Nipal on 10:37:19 - 07/29/13
atm the game is not stable enough to be open to testing. but once it is, we'll provide an editor
so you guys can create content that can be directly imported to the game. ofc we'll allow
original materials in addition to remakes, we just thought the later was easier to start.

we'll be accepting dungeon submissions when private beta restarts, i can't tell when tho since
i don't know :)
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Lezard on 12:07:25 - 07/30/13
There's no need to block anything on your schedules, it's not a matter of days be weeks / months before we're ready.
However, it's true that the content editor will help speed up dungeon integration a lot. We'll just have to prepare a hell of a doc on how to operate it >.>


PS: There is so far only one dungeon with the same name as an existing E1 dungeon... but I'm sure you can guess which one it is
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Torq on 14:25:32 - 07/30/13
Inachis Sewers, where it all began.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Lezard on 14:39:47 - 07/30/13
Inachis Sewers, where it all began.

Wrong, no cookie for Torq!
The action will start in a much less pleasant place :)
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Qqchampion on 18:56:19 - 07/30/13
It's clearly call of conscience, the most story relevant of all the post-40 dungeons.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Nipal on 10:33:22 - 07/31/13
in e2, you start the story by waking up with a big hangover after drinking yourself to death.

(ok, i should probably rewrite that part)
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Lezard on 11:15:07 - 07/31/13
And you spend the first 10 levels trying to figure out how you ended signing up with the river pirates.

"Nay can break my cumulative Hangover!"
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Merton on 07:10:52 - 08/02/13
I am about to embark on a rather monolithic project of my own, but I'd certainly like to help in some way.  Estiah and the contributions I made to it have a special place in my heart. 
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Nico2236 on 01:16:46 - 11/06/13
Guys, i've been reading about Estiah2 and the Beta as much as I could in the forums. I was out when the beta started and when Estiah decayed this much.
So, as i'm mostly a newcomer here in the forum (But i read a lot of what you post around) I'm up to help in any way i can to keep playing Estiah, and give aid in the Develop of Estiah2.
 -
Note aside, I suppose Nip and Lez don't need help developing the game, also i suppose that maybe one or two folks in the forums know how to code, so I do, So if any help is needed in the developing process or coding process. I'm up for a challenge.
You may suppose it's pretty funny thing to say from a person that has this little posts in the forum, but hey, im just trying to help and keep having fun.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Nipal on 09:54:20 - 11/06/13
thanks for trying to help, we are actually in the process of wrapping things up for the next round of private beta.
most of game features intended for the beta are done, we have to stop putting new things into the game since
we'd never release the game otherwise. if i had to put a number on the current progress, i'd say about 85-90%.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Nico2236 on 12:10:00 - 11/06/13
It's nice to hear a word from the admins Nip, thanks for your reply. I (And i suppose a lot of players) will be waiting to test the new game when you release it.
Anyway, if you need help anytime, with anything, im up for it.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Wercool on 19:21:22 - 11/14/13
It sounds like my guess of a mid december launch date is still pretty accurate. Anyway, what I really am hoping for is that when E2 launches it will bring in lots of new people and the community will start growing again. (It feels pretty stagnant right now.)
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Xeorns on 04:50:50 - 12/31/13
Any updates as to when the beta is happening?
Also how to sign up for it?
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Nipal on 09:54:28 - 01/02/14
about the game code, everything we wanted to do for the beta has been done now.
we only need to wrap up some last contents then we are ready to go. we initially wanted
to release in the middle of the january, but since it's a busy month (at our day jobs),
it'll probably be ready towards the end of the month :)

the first weeks of the beta will be only open to players who can actively help us find
the most important bugs. after that, the game will be gradually opened to everyone.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Qqchampion on 18:12:54 - 01/02/14
about the game code, everything we wanted to do for the beta has been done now.
we only need to wrap up some last contents then we are ready to go. we initially wanted
to release in the middle of the january, but since it's a busy month (at our day jobs),
it'll probably be ready towards the end of the month :)

the first weeks of the beta will be only open to players who can actively help us find
the most important bugs. after that, the game will be gradually opened to everyone.

woo!
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Gabbin on 19:18:23 - 01/02/14
Exciting!
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Sparky on 01:58:38 - 01/03/14
Exciting!
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Jmackxiii on 18:55:28 - 01/04/14
Awesome!
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Torq on 16:39:27 - 01/05/14
Arousing!
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Michael on 11:42:46 - 01/22/14
Awesome :)
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Nico2236 on 19:51:57 - 01/22/14
We are expecting it!
It will be awesome for sure.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Wercool on 00:33:27 - 01/29/14
The anticipation is building!
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Lezard on 10:08:52 - 01/29/14
We're sewing up together the last bits of the patchwork.

It won't be ready this week-end, but it will be very soon.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Dissident on 10:47:12 - 01/29/14
!!!
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Hugliston on 16:01:07 - 02/03/14
Great news ! I hope I won't be blocked by a hidden "ice barrier" to have an access to it this time (damn firewall >.<).

Hugliston, winner of the first E2 mp access contest (what ? I still have direct access to it ? Great... >.>)

Ok I nearly did nothing to win it, all had been done by my guildmates to rebuild the QR code and analyzing it. I only understood where to use the code : D
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Lezard on 09:21:06 - 02/05/14
I hope some of you will have free time this week-end!

Things have changed quite a bit since the PvP beta.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Sparky on 13:47:07 - 02/05/14
I hope some of you will have free time this week-end!

Things have changed quite a bit since the PvP beta.
This week-end? Wheee!
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Qqchampion on 07:25:46 - 02/06/14
my body is ready
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Hugliston on 09:08:23 - 02/06/14
\o/
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Wercool on 18:33:35 - 02/06/14
 ;D
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Misha on 20:18:53 - 02/06/14
I hope some of you will have free time this week-end!

Things have changed quite a bit since the PvP beta.

Cancelling all my plans!

Oh wait I didn't have any.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Torq on 00:45:35 - 02/07/14
That's awesome news. :)
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Nipal on 13:06:59 - 02/07/14
as much as i want to show you a completed game, it appears simply impossible to wrap everything up
in a timely manner. we'll perhaps let the bunny out of the bag early, despite missing some non-essential
features such as role-playing texts, mob sprites etc. hope you guys don't mind.

so, it's likely to be some time during Saturday,  unless we discover any major bug. i've already got the
beta server up and running anyway, it's just not open to the public yet :)
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Michael on 17:19:02 - 02/07/14
Cheers!

How to be the beta member?
Will the account in last beta test still be avaible this time?
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Jmackxiii on 20:29:13 - 02/07/14
This is very exciting news.
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Nipal on 23:12:44 - 02/07/14
we've wiped the database from the previous beta, all e1 veterans (aka forum lurkers) will get beta key.
about the order of who gets the keys first, it mostly depends on how quick first beta testers find out about
major bugs. the more stable the game becomes, the more keys we will hand out. after a while, we'll
open the beta to everyone :)
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Kiagan on 01:45:20 - 02/08/14
Ooh, it'll be starting tomorrow? Sweet!
Title: Re: Estiah 2
Post by: Monday on 06:22:47 - 02/08/14
 :laugh: